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Resolved Will Appeon provide a PowerBuilder application as a service functionality one day ?

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  1. Xavier Catteau
    Xavier Catteau
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  3. Thursday, 11 April 2024 13:17 PM UTC

Hello,

We are currently using third party solutions to use some of our PowerBuilder apps as a service in Windows.

However, we are in the middle of a Windows Server 2012 to Windows Server 2022 migration and we struggle to get one them running ok.

This situation really brings to the light the lack of PB app as a service functionality from Appeon. Third party solution are often the fruit of a development from a small crew with limited support capacity and they can decide to stop development for any reason anytime.

So is Appeon planning one day to provide PB app as a service functionality ?

 

Regards. 

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Andreas Mykonios
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  1. Thursday, 18 April 2024 08:22 AM UTC
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I would suggest all those who do want this feature, vote for this thread. I've already done it.

Also it would be nice to have an enhancement request at standard support.

Andreas.

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Xavier Catteau
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  1. Thursday, 18 April 2024 07:49 AM UTC
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Everyday new people are joining this thread ! Can we make this request come true this way ?

Appeon could listen and propose something. Please stop hiding behind free tools and small companies for PB app as a service. This feature is key to several commercial companies out there. wink

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Chris Pollach @Appeon
  1. Chris Pollach @Appeon
  2. Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:28 PM UTC
Hi Xavier et Al;

Please create a Support Ticket as an enhancement request for this feature to be added to PB.

I would suggest making this ticket "public" so that any PB Developer can see & track its responses.

Regards .. Chris
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John Vanleeuwe
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  1. Thursday, 18 April 2024 07:39 AM UTC
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My 2 cents....

 

We are also using external tools to run our pb apps as a service.

there are good working solutions out there which can be purchased for about 50 USD for a server  , we are using http://www.firedaemon.com at some customers servers.  other customers have implemented the nssm free tool succesfully.

dont get me wrong , we also would love to see it integrated in PB !

 

kindest regards

John

 

 

 

 

 
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Narayana Bhat P
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  1. Wednesday, 17 April 2024 09:17 AM UTC
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Count me in, We also planing host PB as service for our application core feautures

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Christopher Craft
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  1. Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:27 PM UTC
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I had asked the same question awhile ago and it seemed like not many developers run their PB apps as a service.  I have used PBService for years and it runs flawlessly.  It also supports SharedObjects which PBNIServ doers not.  The unfortunate thing is Ecrane does not offer this anymore - which seems to validate my question above.   

I would love for Appeon to look into taking over PBService (or atleast offer a built-in solution).  We just need more developers out there saying they would like this feature added!

Chris Craft

 

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Sivaprakash BKR
  1. Sivaprakash BKR
  2. Wednesday, 17 April 2024 05:43 AM UTC
Count me in. We have started installing PB applications as a service, to send SMS, Email. We currently us NSSM without any issues so far.
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Andreas Mykonios
  1. Andreas Mykonios
  2. Wednesday, 17 April 2024 06:30 AM UTC
I also agree. In previous jobs we used a lot of services. At that time, we were on PB 11.x and PB 12.x, so we had the alternative of creating .net assemblies, with PB, that were used in windows services created using c#. Now that .net assemblies are not available, this isn't possible anymore. The only alternative would be to create window services using one of the third party tools (which isn't 100% the same), or build them on a different language...

Andreas.
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Xavier Catteau
  1. Xavier Catteau
  2. Wednesday, 17 April 2024 07:02 AM UTC
Our system rely largely on PB services to shedules jobs. It's a very important feature that need to be supported with the appropriate care. From my point of view, I would be more confident if Appeon would provide a solution and support about it.
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Xavier Catteau
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  1. Friday, 12 April 2024 08:35 AM UTC
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Topwiz / PBNIserv.exe

We got that type of crash after some time of usage (several times a day) : 

Faulting application name: pbniserv.exe, version: 2.11.0.0, time stamp: 0x60d1523a
Faulting module name: KERNELBASE.dll, version: 10.0.20348.2340, time stamp: 0x02d25a0b
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x00138e82
Faulting process id: 0x1ad8
Faulting application start time: 0x01da8659d2b2bf44
Faulting application path: D:\EISEC\ServiceOrchestration\pbniserv.exe
Faulting module path: C:\Windows\System32\KERNELBASE.dll
Report Id: 3418ab68-cc72-4b5a-b6d3-aecae0cd9d82
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:

The EISEC - Orchestration service terminated unexpectedly. It has done this 4 time(s).

 

We think that we managed to workaround the issue by using some older code and we have not yet found what were the modifications in our code that brought the service to crash.

Still, I really don't know what can be the cause of such behavior : the service PB wrapper PBNIserv ? the PBNI itself ? our application ?

Any help appreciated here :) 

 

 

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Steen Jakobsen
  1. Steen Jakobsen
  2. Tuesday, 16 April 2024 05:49 AM UTC
I use PBNIserv.exe also and i'm currently havin similar issue where the service stops running randomly without any explanation.

I'm looking into using N.S.S.M. (open source) .. same as Chis.
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Steen Jakobsen
  1. Steen Jakobsen
  2. Wednesday, 24 April 2024 07:31 AM UTC
UPDATE: My issues turned out to be my own bad. So No issue with PBNiServ. Sorry for the wrong feedback.
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Xavier Catteau
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  1. Thursday, 11 April 2024 16:08 PM UTC
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Topwiz / PBNIserv.exe

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Steen Jakobsen
  1. Steen Jakobsen
  2. Tuesday, 16 April 2024 05:43 AM UTC
Chris, N.S.S.M. looks quite old , no updates since 2017

It is stable ?



Thanks Steen
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Chris Pollach @Appeon
  1. Chris Pollach @Appeon
  2. Tuesday, 16 April 2024 11:59 AM UTC
Hi Steen;

I still use it on my W10, W11, & W2019 O/S's with no issues. I have not tried it on W2022 however. Otherwise, still works great. HTH

Regards ... Chris
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Steen Jakobsen
  1. Steen Jakobsen
  2. Wednesday, 17 April 2024 08:33 AM UTC
Thanks for the feedback Chris :-)
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Chris Pollach @Appeon
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  1. Thursday, 11 April 2024 15:39 PM UTC
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Hi Xavier ;

  FYI: This feature is not on the PB 2025 features list.

What 3rd party "service" tool are you currently using?

Regards .. Chris

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David Peace
  1. David Peace
  2. Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:30 PM UTC
What version of PB are you using for the runtime? We have a service running fine on W2022 but it is not PB2022R3 it's currently based on PB2019R3.
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