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Resolved Surface Pro X - Windows on ARM

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  1. mike S
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  3. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 16:31 PM UTC

The new surface X uses an ARM chip and it sounds like they did a lot of work to allow 32 bit apps to run without modification.    "Using WOW64, an x86 emulator, ARM chips can run 32-bit apps"

Has anyone tried running powerserver client on Windows 10 ARM?

What about PB itself as a full client? It sounds like if you are running 32bit PB app, then it should run (not sure about database drivers).  This is of less interest to me (full PB client) than a powerserver client on these highly mobile windows ARM computers.

 

 

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Roland Smith
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  1. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:41 PM UTC
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One of my kids (age 24) has the original Surface Pro and still loves it.

I can see where you would want to have your customers be able to run your app on one.

I'm wondering though what the use case would be for a software developer to have one?

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mike S
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  2. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:42 PM UTC
*testing*
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mike S
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  2. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:49 PM UTC
also, i have been using a surface pro 4 (intel chip) as my dev machine for awhile now. very portable.



i think the arm version would be too under powered to run as a dev machine. Plus i don't think i could get a dbms to run on arm machine? PB dev environment probably would run though? In any case, i think it makes more sense to setup VMs to run dev versions of PB.
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Chris Pollach @Appeon
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  2. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 19:50 PM UTC
Hi Roland;

Just checked with the "Big Guy" and he says that its not looking too good for you for a Surface under the tree this year. However, he said that you can still sign up for the "nice list" and he'll see what he can do for you ...

https://www.santasvillage.ca/santas-nice-list

Good luck ... Chris
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Armeen Mazda @Appeon
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  1. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:41 PM UTC
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Hi Mike, If you check out footnote #5 on this page, it only talks about compatibility issue with 64-bit apps.  Since both PowerBuilder and PowerServer support 32-bit (in addition to 64-bit) native deployment and these devices are running full Windows 10 version so I think you should be fine.  But if this is important to you then you will need to bite the bullet and buy one of these to test.  If issues are found with 32-bit, please let us know.  Of course 64-bit won't work because we haven't done any specific porting to 64-bit ARM.

Regards,
Armeen

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mike S
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  2. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:59 PM UTC
hopefully someone else has bought one and tried it out already!



I like the direction of windows 10 on ARM, but the cost of the M$oft surface is pretty close to a full surface on intel. Hopefully we will see more arm options from dell/hp etc. at a much lower price point. When PB2021 ships with the new desktop apps capability, then we will have another really powerful option for mobile if windows arm tablets catches on.

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Armeen Mazda @Appeon
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  2. Tuesday, 5 November 2019 18:11 PM UTC
Yup, it is pricey for an ARM chip. I think they are going with ARM chip not to lower cost but rather to provide "a powerful balance", as their marketing says, of both performance and battery life.
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